Yeah, you should do the… crap… out of that.


(This will be the least annoying of my pokings and proddings on the matter)

-shiny new Atlantian Deputy Kingdom Minister of Arts and Sciences for HMA

6 comments to HMA?

  • Tibbie Croser

    Congratulations, Wistric.

    Is there a way to get HMA offered at more practices and local collegiums, as well as Kingdom University and the Kingdom Arts and Sciences Festival? Is there also a way to offer it to lower-level and newer fighters?

    • Wistric

      Thanks Tibbie!

      Can you clarify what you’d like to see offered? I count a dozen hours of HMA classes at the most recent Kingdom University, though all were rapier, C&T, or longsword forms. There should also be an hour or two of Liechtenauer at Nottinghill Coill’s Collegium next month, and you should expect to see HMA offerings at any university or collegium.
      So, are the DiGrassi, Liechtenauer, and Capo Ferro classes the sort of thing you’re interested in? Or is there another area of HMA where you’d like to see learning opportunities?

      As for local HMA practices, start one. Please!
      I’d been fencing as long as you have when the local Windmasters HMA group started up, and I got my hands on the MS I.33 books from Chiv Bookshelf and we worked through each play. You don’t have to be a White Scarf or even a Gold Scarf to be able to study HMA. You actually don’t even have to be a fencer. You just need a source and a desire to study. Some experience fighting will help, because a familiarity with how the body can and can’t move, how tempi and reaction time interact, and how to generate speed or power all feed a better understanding of any martial art (or any athletic activity at all). But, again, a white scarf is not required.

      *On the list of goals is to have HMA displayed for all to see at KASF and other events, the same as any other art.

      • Dante di Pietro

        Regarding the KASF thing, I had an idea shortly after my vigil for a demonstration that would start with I.33, move to Lichtenauer, then Manciolino/Marozzo, to Agrippa, diGrassi, et cetera, and move all the way through to finishing with an early smallsword system. The idea would be to have a short introduction to each master with a description of the system and historical context, and have the transitions be the next “generation” come out to challenge and defeat the previous one, highlighting how changes in culture and technology made some things obsolete. The whole thing would finish with the smallsword reigning supreme, until the I.33 or longsword guy came back (whichever we started with) and demonstrates why smallswords are really good at dueling, but not really good as a weapon of war.

        All told, it would take:

        de Sainct-Didier
        Some French smallsword thing

        It would benefit from more Destreza, but no one here does that or has access to it. I’m probably forgetting at least a couple that need to be in there, but hey.

  • Tibbie Croser

    Yes, there was plenty of HMA at the recent University. Unfortunately, it was scheduled against marshal classes (which I needed to take) and rapier melee classes (which I wanted to take, with Pennsic coming soon). I heard good things about Giacomo’s DiGrassi class.

    Because of the scheduling conflicts at University, I’d like to see those HMA classes offered as often as possible around the kingdom. I think there are some Collegiums up here in the north, and I’d like to see HMA at those.

    I’d like to keep seeing classes applicable to rapier and C&T offered. I’d like to see various HMA forms offered as slow-work or demo classes for fighters who might have nothing more than basic SCA rattan or rapier gear/armor. I’d also appreciate classes geared to lower-level fighters that might explain the similarities and differences among different period systems, so that fighters might get an idea of what systems are available and which ones work best for rapier, C&T, or armored combat. Also classes on choosing HMA weapons and armor.

    Rather than starting an HMA practice on my own, I’d like to see the senior fighters encouraged to teach HMA to the junior fighters. I know Dante already does this at Stierbach. I sometimes see advanced fighters doing HMA one-on-one at Lochmere, but I’m not sure if they’d be willing to teach me, even once I get some extra armor.

    • Dante di Pietro

      That list of manuals and their chief characteristics I sent to Atlantian Rapier wasn’t useful? 🙁

      My Rapier 201 class is basically a breakdown of the core concepts that all historical systems employ.

      There are very few “senior fighters” who are familiar enough with a manual to just flat out teach it to someone. All of us are still learning ourselves; after 7 years, I have exactly one book I know well enough to train as an expert. You can get help, but a lot of the leg work will be your responsibility. I spent about 3-4 years learning before I could teach thoroughly, and another 3 refining my skillset. Most of that was independent learning without anyone helping. When I finally taught someone directly, we spent 6-9 hours a week for 6 months, then 3-5 hours a week (on average) for the next couple years. Now, unless someone has that level of dedication, I mostly stick to core concepts like tempo, finding the sword, measure, and so forth. Learning Capoferro from me is a far more exacting process that involves a lot of, “No, that’s wrong. Move your hand an inch to the right, change your blade angle by 3 degrees, and do it again until you get it right 20 times in a row.”

  • Tibbie Croser

    My apologies. I forgot about the list of manuals on Atlantian RapierNet. I do really like the idea for a demonstration of the different systems. I think seeing the systems in action could be more illuminating than reading descriptions of them.

    Will you offer the Rapier 201 class again? I really wanted to take it, but it was conflicting with the Rapier Marshal 101 and Field Marshal 201 classes.

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